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Kaleberg's avatar

There's the greedy job problem at the top, but there's also the greedy job problem at the bottom. An awful lot of jobs offer irregular, unpredictable hours, variable pay, compulsory overtime and pay low enough to require one to work more than one job to stay off the streets. A lot more people work that kind of job than are high powered career oriented folks. These are the people who might want to have children, but know that taking a day off when a child is sick may mean losing one's job, one's car, one's apartment and so on in a terrible, well documented spiral. If we want more children, the low end greedy job problem seems easier to fix and would benefit more people.

There's something misogynist about this focus on pushing women in high powered careers to have children. Where's the pressure for male executives on the C-suite track to take off a decade or two and raise their wife's children? If she's on a high powered track, odds are she can take a month or so off, and then, after delivery, let daddy take over. Even a highly competitive career can recover from a brief hiatus, but not one lasting decades. Where's the pressure on male doctors? Male professors? Maybe men need different career incentives, or we need to change the tax code to encourage men to raise their children.

I've yet to see a convincing argument that falling fertility is a problem. The dumbest one going around argues that more people would provide us with more creative brainpower to solve the world's problems. Are we really twice as creative as we were in 1974 with four billion than we are today with eight billion? How many of the pressing problems of 1974 has our much larger population let us to solve by sheer dint of additional warm bodies? We've been there, done that. We can survive it again, even if it means wearing lime green leisure suits. Besides, if the population drops by 50%, that means capital investment per capita has doubled. There's no clear argument as to why a higher level of capital investment per person would be a bad thing.

The real argument seems to be about women succeeding outside their traditional roles, not population, not creativity, not capital formation.

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Brian Moore's avatar

Knowing lots of women (and couples) who delayed (and had fewer) kids for exactly these reasons, I think the only thing that is going to reverse the decline in fertility among couples with members who are in those "greedy" jobs is 1) restoring the kind of support networks that existed in the past - with lots of people who aren't-the-mom providing childcare/household tasks.

And on the demand side: 2) reducing the societal perception that kids are a massive burden and extremely susceptible to damage from lack of relentless parenting/protection and 3) a change IN the way those "greedy" jobs work to allow having kids (or other "luxuries").

From personal experience, someone having kids in med school or residency was considered "insane" and the med schools/residency programs had no interest whatsoever in making it more possible. They considered a two-day weekend "a golden weekend." Believe whatever you want about inheritance or nature vs. nurture or SES data, I think we can agree that doctors having kids is a good thing - at the very least the pediatric rotation they do should provide some good information! But we have a medical training system (and a society that demands parenting time-commitments that are incompatible with it) that makes it almost impossible to do so.

I am not sure this is the right way to actually address it for this case, but you often see data showing "there is only 25% women in this job" with the implication that without some kind of discrimination, it would be closer to 50%. What would it look like if we did "only 5% of people in medical training had kids, while the % for everyone else over the same time period is 70%" and treated that like a problem (by the people running medical training, not by just imposing yet another societal demand on those docs) that had to be fixed?

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